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General CommentsIt's all just AI
The most common
objection to the book that I hear is that modeling at the computational level
invalidates any claim to biological plausibility. Some of this is just the standard knee-jerk dismissal mechanism,
but some is clearly not.
David Ritchie, who is generally sympathetic to both the book
and to embodied cognitive science writes:
I also see a second theme, an attempt to test the biological
model by developing partial models of language processes that can run on
current generation digital computers , and more to the present point ,
incorporate into your account models that have already been developed, in
particular the models developed by Bailey and Narayanan, each of which gets a
full chapter. The problem that this
poses for me, and I suspect for many of your readers, is that these models in
effect smuggle back in exactly the kind of assumptions about language
processing that your biological explanation is attempting to overcome. Thus these chapters seem, to me, to
contradict the central features of your biology-based analysis.
He then quotes my cautionary notes
from page 141: "For both practical and
pedagogical reasons, our computational level models are based on formalisms and
techniques that are well established in computer and cognitive sciences. There are also dangers in using conventional
formalisms and methods. None of the
traditional techniques were developed for linking brain activity to behavior
and they all are inadequate if used only in the conventional way. In addition, the standard notation might be
taken as the whole theory, ignoring the underlying bridge to the brain."
And goes on to conclude:
I actually think the standard
notation doesn't merely ignore, but contradicts the underlying neural
processes.
David kindly agreed to further pursue this point and we seem to have sorted out his central concern, which was that he took the book to say that all mental processing was mediated by serial symbolic analysis. This may have once been my view (cf. p.63 )
but I did not think it necessary to explicitly disavow it in the book. There is also a more general objection to using any notation from symbolic processing that merits further discussion.
Science necessarily involves levels of analysis
I didn't make this point sufficiently clear in the book, but
the following story seems to help. First consider the chemical formula:
2 SO2 + 2 H2O + O2 -> 2 H2SO4
This is the standard notation for the reaction that gives rise to acid
rain. It says that 2 water molecules and one oxygen molecule can combine with
sulfur dioxide to yield sulfuric acid. For many purposes, this formula is fine. But we know that the reality is
nowhere near this simple. All such reactions are bi-directional and depend on
temperature, pressure, etc. Moreover, according to Wikipedia, a more accurate
chemical story is:
In the gas
phase sulfur dioxide is oxidized by reaction with the hydroxyl
radical via a intermolecular reaction:
SO2
+ OH -> HOSO2
which is followed by:
HOSO2
+ O2 -> HO2 + SO3
In the presence of water sulfur trioxide (SO3) is converted rapidly to sulfuric acid:
SO3(g)
+ H2O(l) -> H2SO4(l)
where (g) means gas phase and (l) denotes
liquid.
And, of course, the story becomes too complex to
write down if we look at the detailed physics involved.
Science
is always done at different levels of abstraction. What makes it science is
that the technical treatments at each level should be consistent. This is what
we are trying to do in the NTL project and what I try to describe in the book.
The computational level models and formalisms (including grammars) should be
both explanatory of the phenomena and consistent with all relevant constraints
and findings. Some people feel that it is premature to attempt this
unification, but the eventual answer will necessarily take the from of
consistent theories.
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There is a shrill September 17, 2006 review by Hairball on Amazon.com
that contains the incredible statement: "The most excruciating displeasure
I've ever had". I will never
comment on issues of style or choice of material in M2M, but will try to
address any technical questions that arise.
Hairball has studied neuromorphic engineering and
states:" Personally, I don't think you can begin to tackle language until
you have a robot that can physically deal with the real world 1/10th as well as
a real animal does."
People have lots of reasons why we shouldn't
attempt to build M2M models. On the positive side, there is good work on
robotic embodied language, especially at MIT, as cited in the Brooks reference
in M2M
"One notably missing item in his explanation of language is
the ability of humans to *hear* language."
This is a reasonable point. The
group next to the NTL space at ICSI is one the leading speech research efforts
and I probably take it too much for granted. There is some discussion in
M2M of intonation and prosody, as well
as gesture, but nothing technical on speech. However, I can't think of anything
that would change because speech mechanisms were included in the book.
Section 1. Embodied Information ProcessingSection 2. How the Brain ComputesSection 3. How the Mind ComputesSection 4. Learning Concrete WordsSection 5. Learning Words for ActionsSection 6. Abstract and Metaphorical WordsSection 7. Understanding StoriesSection 8. Combining Form and MeaningSection 9. Embodied LanguageIndexReferences and Further Reading |